Just purchased and returned 2 pair. I own 6 pair of Arch Rock Pants so I thought I knew what I was getting. Style and sizing changed. Elastic waist? No belt loops? Sewn in fake belt? Size 30 that fit me for years now fits small? What have you done to my favorite pants? Why not at least give an option and call them Rock Pants Classic?

Please get rid of the belt.

The old style was a lot better, it was really nice comfortable pant.

The belt really seems to limit the use of these.

Why change a good thing? Elastic waist? Built in belt? Please go back to the original Arch Rock Pant everyone loved?

I have been buying the Arch Rock pants and shorts for years. Always my favorite.

I was extremely disappointed to receive my latest order and realized you have completely changed the design. The fit is much tighter and the built in belt is awful. One of the pair came as the old design but three others are the new.

It took me years to find the perfect pants/shorts for work and I buy several new pairs a year.

Why wouldn't you just make the new design be a different pant? Why would you change a good thing? The regular belt loops and button closure were much better than the built in belt and snap closure. I wear these for work and the stretch waistband and built in belt look too casual/recreational. I see a need for them, but just don't get why you would make the change on a pant/shirt you have been selling for many years.

According to other reviews, it seems like I'm not the only one unhappy with the change.

I did not keep them long enough to actually determine if they were good pants. They simply didn't fit the same. Much more snug. They may be decent pants. Just not happy with the change on style or fit.

Love the old design, have every color, just read you changed it and added a built in belt, really disappointed, I wanted to order more pairs, would rate the old design a 5

I have several pairs of the previous version of these pants, and I love them. The incorporated belt is a poor choice. I have one pair of the new style and wear them strictly around the house. They are uncomfortable and do not sit well. The previous style with the belt loops are comfortable and I wear a belt that suits me well.

I was going to order two pairs today. The belt was a bad change. I have been a fan of the Arch Rock short and pants. I ordered the shorts prior to summer this year. They are already donated. Now I got to find a new pant and short. Do not change the Zephyr short. Still love all my Marmot gear, please bring back the Arch Rock shorts and pants.

I own 3 pairs of the previous version. They used to be amazing and I have recommended them to all my friends. Needing to buy more, I ordered 2 pairs of the new ones thinking they would be better. Nope! Outdoors pants without a beltloop? HOWWW? Useless.

Marmot obviously does not care. I have purchased these pants for years. They changed the design unbelievable. Why change a successful product to an unpopular unsuccessful producer. I would gladly pay full price. Now the new design is for sale all over the internet at almost half off because the product popularity went south. I am now looking for alternatives. I wear these daily. It looks like LLBean has a similar product with a loose fit that does not come with a belt and is relaxed fit. I can't understand why they change back to old design. Been purchasing these pants 10 years. No more unless they bring back the old design.

Fit is great and love the material. Very comfortable. I can see why people don't like the belt though. The buckle is a pain and the fixed design creates a crease when tightened down. Two things I would add as well. Make the rear pockets somewhat deeper with velcro flaps for added security and put thigh pockets on both legs.